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[Merl1n]

A place to learn, explore and elevate cannabis conversation | honahlee

honahlee is your local cannabis connection. It's a safe space for people to explore their curiosities about cannabis and learn about its science, benefits and legalities.

honahlee.com.au

 

[pug]

hiya merl1n

slightly on topic ... haven't mentioned it yet mate, but thanks heaps for all your info on your legal medical journey ... invaluable for anyone thinking of going down that road.

regarding the website mate ... i'm glad to see things are getting out more in the mainstream. just not so sure if i am on the same wavelength as the folks from honahlee ... they seem a bit preachy to me mate, but that could just be my vapo tonight ... probably seeing too many politicians on the media with smug looks. noticed that the website said ...

"We need to talk. We know this plant is more than it’s given credit for. Relegated to the basement of crime and stoner culture for decades, we have seen the broader potential of this important plant medicine stifled and overlooked."

hehehe ... reminds me, might need to re-watch The 70's show.

 

[higherconversations1]

hiya merl1n

slightly on topic ... haven't mentioned it yet mate, but thanks heaps for all your info on your legal medical journey ... invaluable for anyone thinking of going down that road.

regarding the website mate ... i'm glad to see things are getting out more in the mainstream. just not so sure if i am on the same wavelength as the folks from honahlee ... they seem a bit preachy to me mate, but that could just be my vapo tonight ... probably seeing too many politicians on the media with smug looks. noticed that the website said ...

"We need to talk. We know this plant is more than it’s given credit for. Relegated to the basement of crime and stoner culture for decades, we have seen the broader potential of this important plant medicine stifled and overlooked."

hehehe ... reminds me, might need to re-watch The 70's show.

Hey Pug,

My name is Tom and I'm one of the founders of honahlee. Thanks for the feedback on the tone of voice we're using . It's funny you chose that line because it's a line that neither of the founders (myself and my business partner) wrote!

I grew up in the US and had weed around me my entire life. I've been involved in the industry in many different aspects. I believe cannabis should be legal for adult use and medicinal purposes as I think it's no different from alcohol other than the fact that it actually has health benefits.

When we started the site we could have gone the 'stoner route' but the way we see it is as follows. There are a lot of people out there doing the stoner thing. Ain't nothing wrong with being a stoner. Some of my closest friends are stoners. And those that are taking that route are doing it far better than we can. We chose to take a different approach, a more 'legal' and medicinal approach, because often people who are pushing cannabis to become legal forget that one of the biggest demographics of cannabis is actually an older generation made up of individuals who are not stoners and want nothing to do with stoners.

While it's unfortunate, they view stoner culture and often weed as something that's frowned upon...devils breath blah blah. They are scared to learn about cannabis because they don't want people to think they are druggies. This is a ridculous thought, but it exists because people still don't get what cannabis is. These older cannabis newbies also want to have something that's more formal and 'trustable' than the others. While we don't think other types of sites are not 'trustable' it's a different demographic and person we're targeting.

At honahlee we want to remind people that cannabis, weed, whatever you want to call it should be and is for everyone. Many people are finding their gateway to cannabis being the legal route. And, quite often we find that people have been using cannabis for a while but can now open up more about it because it's medicinally legal. If we can capture the interest of that huge, older, anti-stoner demographic and show them that cannabis isn't the awful drug it's been made out to be, they too will be more likely to be for legalisation or at least decriminalisation.

Hopefully, you found or do find in the future, something on honahlee that may interest you. As long as we're helping people learn about cannabis we're achieving our goal.

Take care and again, appreciate your feedback. If you do get back into that 70's show, enjoy!

 

[Porky]

You biggest road block in this country is religious beliefs.
I have met several very anti cannabis religious people who said their church should fight tooth and nail to stop cannabis being legally available in any form.
The sad thing is most of our politicians are religious and religion has a vast amount of sway here.
Only got to look at Scumo singing like fuckin fool at the top of lungs in the Hillsong cult to realise this.

 

[Porky]

Funny because we are supposed to have a seperation of church and state in this country.

 

[pug]

hi Tom

thanks for the clarification mate. i hope it all goes well. i appreciate that there are many different roads to decriminalisation or legalisation ... some far better than others. going down the cbd path will definitely appeal to a demographic that (although generalised) has come to depend on a magic pill - first antibiotics, then the Pill and then viagra ... lol ... i think statins and a few others could be thrown in there as well. this demographic also have a strong faith in allopathic medicine and its practitioners ... unfortunately, in many cases, to the exclusion of many natural medicines.

unfortunately this approach to cannabis is based on division. this results in 'cbd' being seen as a 'medicine', while cannabis flower that contains thc, is labelled a 'drug'. this non-holistic approach has been actively encouraged by the medical and big pharma industries, as it supports their redundancy methodology and places them again as the authority, which in turn puts them in a position of control and power. it also totally disregards leading cannabis scientists and medical practitioners, who have uniformally supported using the whole plant in it's natural form to encompass the entourage effect.

personally, i think the means are more important than the results. as when the means are compromised, the ends will always be susceptible to exploitation ... seen very clearly in Canada and many parts of the States currently with their legalisation journey. to extract one cannabanoid from such a giving plant, seems like madness to me and a recipe for co-option. the interaction between humans and cannabis is complex and no where near fully understood. it is quite clear however, that the efficacy of cannabis is severely compromised when the entourage effect is interfered with. it is also abundantly clear, that severe medical side-effects are directly related to extracting cannabonoids in isolation.

i understand that there are different paths, but this is not one that i can support. i can appreciate your good intentions and applaud them ... and anyone who provides educational help and information about cannabis without trying to make a dollar. From my point of view however, the promotion of cbd (at the exclusion of all other cannabonoids) takes too much away from the holistic medicinal qualities of cannabis and places control through the isolation of a 'desirable active ingredient' back into the hands of the very organisations that have been actively demonising cannabis.

i would strongly recommend anyone concerned with this issue, to view some of the interviews and presentations by Dr Ethan Russo - he is quite prolific and a leading specialist in utilising cannabis-based medicines in neurological disorders. he is also quite clear that there already exists a fundamentally sound and medically available superior concentrate ... called hash/kief ... he seems to really like kief in tinture form.

this one is particularly relevant and only 11 minutes or so:

 

[Merl1n]

hiya merl1n

slightly on topic ... haven't mentioned it yet mate, but thanks heaps for all your info on your legal medical journey ... invaluable for anyone thinking of going down that road.

regarding the website mate ... i'm glad to see things are getting out more in the mainstream. just not so sure if i am on the same wavelength as the folks from honahlee ... they seem a bit preachy to me mate, but that could just be my vapo tonight ... probably seeing too many politicians on the media with smug looks. noticed that the website said ...

"We need to talk. We know this plant is more than it’s given credit for. Relegated to the basement of crime and stoner culture for decades, we have seen the broader potential of this important plant medicine stifled and overlooked."

hehehe ... reminds me, might need to re-watch The 70's show.

Hey Pug,
The only reason I put Honalee website up was due to another member trying, unsuccessfully, to obtain medical canna. I didn't want to come across as solely supporting one medical practice over another. It doesn't matter where you go, the fees are over the top for all of them IMHO. Honalee has reviews of both the one supporting me and the one (semi) supporting the other member , so it gives a comparison of both.

Porky,
Separation of church and state? Since when? When poli's are sworn in they place their hand on a bible. There simply is no separation. The bible has no place whatsoever in this debate, this should be about medical necessity and not religious beliefs. If it was all religious belief I'd turn Rastafarian tomorrow :lol: .

 

[pug]

hey Merl1n

i know you look into your stuff mate and know you come from a place of giving. i think the service you have done for both our community and for people not in the canna lifestyle who are searching for help, is invaluable.

the site has some good info and will be helpful to many ... it's probably just me mate ... i am wary of free blankets ... with smallpox. i really hope that the honahlee people are only into giving and helping and there is no profit involved. and Tom ... if you're reading this mate ... i apologise in advance if I'm way off track.

i will gladly smoke a peace pipe with you ... maybe canberra, eh?

and merl1n ... can see you with dreads mate.

 

[Porky]

Hey Pug,
The only reason I put Honalee website up was due to another member trying, unsuccessfully, to obtain medical canna. I didn't want to come across as solely supporting one medical practice over another. It doesn't matter where you go, the fees are over the top for all of them IMHO. Honalee has reviews of both the one supporting me and the one (semi) supporting the other member , so it gives a comparison of both.

Porky,
Separation of church and state? Since when? When poli's are sworn in they place their hand on a bible. There simply is no separation. The bible has no place whatsoever in this debate, this should be about medical necessity and not religious beliefs. If it was all religious belief I'd turn Rastafarian tomorrow :lol: .

Haha rasta merl.
Yeah i agree mate. Personally i think religion has no place anywhere but its influence in politics which is where this battle is and will be fought can't be denied or underestimated.
I think what ya doing is awesome mate.

 

[Merl1n]

Thanks Pug.
When I was working I spent 25+yrs in community services and although I cant physically work anymore, I can still use those skills to assist others and that's what I try to do. I'm a mod on a health network for rare conditions and that's using those skill's too. Other's want to know the 'How to' of the whole process, well, I do too. 'So, here are the steps', let's let EVERYONE know.

Your wariness is normal and it has to be too. If we followed it all blindly we'd easily get lead down the garden path. I certainly didn't go into this completely blindly, I investigate, I poke and prod and make sure I'm getting what I need. Then progress from there. There's enough 'know-it-all's' around giving no end of advice and yet 1/2 of them have no clue because they've never actually gone through it themselves. This Corona virus is a prime example. There's shitloads of advice out there, lots of it conflicting advice. You wont hear a comment about it from me because I don't have any information on Corona. I will only comment on what I know, there's no need to be adding to all the bullshit IMHO. And the same with Canna, way too much bullshit. My knowledge comes from my experience, not just what I've read elsewhere.

I've got the long hair, but no dreads lol If I was gonna dread it, I'd better hurry up cos I'm losing it quicker than I can grow it in some places

 

[pug]

nice one merl1n ... words to live by mate.

 

[Merl1n]

Word's to live by???
Which words Pug?
".....If I was gonna dread it, I'd better hurry up cos I'm losing it quicker than I can grow it...."

PMSL

 

[pug]

lol ... we won't have access to hairdressers for a while mate ...

 

[pug]

... "way too much bullshit" seems like a decent mantra for nearly all situations, but in regards to medicinal cannabis ... it seems very appropriate ....

unfortunately, i've gone through the crap process of applying to be a legal cannabis patient. also gone through all the shit associated with purchasing 'legal' cannabis. as well as experienced way too much bullshit firsthand from allopathic medicine, institutes and practices and all the money grabbing middlemen in between. i'm fortunate though, as my issues are manageable most of the time, unlike many accessing cannabis for their health problems.

i am very cautious (some might say a tad paranoid) of providing too many details on open forums (even when billy assures us they are safe) and don't feel particularly comfortable talking about my health issues in public.

i appreciate your account of the process ... without all the bullshit.

 

[higherconversations1]

... "way too much bullshit" seems like a decent mantra for nearly all situations, but in regards to medicinal cannabis ... it seems very appropriate ....

unfortunately, i've gone through the crap process of applying to be a legal cannabis patient. also gone through all the shit associated with purchasing 'legal' cannabis. as well as experienced way too much bullshit firsthand from allopathic medicine, institutes and practices and all the money grabbing middlemen in between. i'm fortunate though, as my issues are manageable most of the time, unlike many accessing cannabis for their health problems.

i am very cautious (some might say a tad paranoid) of providing too many details on open forums (even when billy assures us they are safe) and don't feel particularly comfortable talking about my health issues in public.

i appreciate your account of the process ... without all the bullshit.

hi Tom

thanks for the clarification mate. i hope it all goes well. i appreciate that there are many different roads to decriminalisation or legalisation ... some far better than others. going down the cbd path will definitely appeal to a demographic that (although generalised) has come to depend on a magic pill - first antibiotics, then the Pill and then viagra ... lol ... i think statins and a few others could be thrown in there as well. this demographic also have a strong faith in allopathic medicine and its practitioners ... unfortunately, in many cases, to the exclusion of many natural medicines.

unfortunately this approach to cannabis is based on division. this results in 'cbd' being seen as a 'medicine', while cannabis flower that contains thc, is labelled a 'drug'. this non-holistic approach has been actively encouraged by the medical and big pharma industries, as it supports their redundancy methodology and places them again as the authority, which in turn puts them in a position of control and power. it also totally disregards leading cannabis scientists and medical practitioners, who have uniformally supported using the whole plant in it's natural form to encompass the entourage effect.

personally, i think the means are more important than the results. as when the means are compromised, the ends will always be susceptible to exploitation ... seen very clearly in Canada and many parts of the States currently with their legalisation journey. to extract one cannabanoid from such a giving plant, seems like madness to me and a recipe for co-option. the interaction between humans and cannabis is complex and no where near fully understood. it is quite clear however, that the efficacy of cannabis is severely compromised when the entourage effect is interfered with. it is also abundantly clear, that severe medical side-effects are directly related to extracting cannabonoids in isolation.

i understand that there are different paths, but this is not one that i can support. i can appreciate your good intentions and applaud them ... and anyone who provides educational help and information about cannabis without trying to make a dollar. From my point of view however, the promotion of cbd (at the exclusion of all other cannabonoids) takes too much away from the holistic medicinal qualities of cannabis and places control through the isolation of a 'desirable active ingredient' back into the hands of the very organisations that have been actively demonising cannabis.

i would strongly recommend anyone concerned with this issue, to view some of the interviews and presentations by Dr Ethan Russo - he is quite prolific and a leading specialist in utilising cannabis-based medicines in neurological disorders. he is also quite clear that there already exists a fundamentally sound and medically available superior concentrate ... called hash/kief ... he seems to really like kief in tinture form.

this one is particularly relevant and only 11 minutes or so:

Thanks Pug and no stress...not even a peace pipe needed although appreciated (and probably needed due to quarantine).

Your point about division is 100% correct. It's something we've spoken about a lot. If you read some of the articles you'll notice that we only talk about medical cannabis in places where we must explain the legalities, otherwise, we just talk about cannabis because as you said a division isn't great. Because of this comment you've made, I'm thinking about writing another article specifically on that topic, so thanks for that!

One thing I'd like to correct you on however is that we're not just focussed on CBD oil. And, CBD oil isn't the only medication prescribed in Australia. I think your statement in itself shows that people don't necessarily understand what's being offered in Australia and what the 'medicine' actually is. While yes there is a lot of CBD isolate prescribed, there is also THC oil and bud.

Re Dr Russo, he's amazing and you're 100% correct on the entourage effect. Most good doctors in Australia who prescribe cannabis will make sure they take the entourage effect into account by prescribing a CBD THC mix (full plant extract). So, another excellent point that you've raised.

I really appreciate the effort and thought you've put into your comments. We love hearing other people's opinions and appreciate that honahlee won't be for everyone. Thanks for some of your insights as it will help us with future articles and thinking about how we come across to others. I also appreciate your paranoia on forums and other digital spaces so it's great you even took the time to look through the site.

Cheers

 

[Merl1n]

i am very cautious (some might say a tad paranoid) of providing too many details on open forums (even when billy assures us they are safe) and don't feel particularly comfortable talking about my health issues in public.

I wholeheartedly understand exactly and I completely agree with where you are coming from here Pug. That line between being "very cautious' and 'a tad paranoid' can be an extremely fine one and very much open to interpretation. Having been on the medical roundabout in one way or another for most of my life, I have had damn near every judgement possible made by these so called "Medical Professionals', so I don't see it as paranoia at all. It's a safety thing. It's reality. We MUST keep ourselves safe, no matter what.

I have gotten to a point now with these pricks where I often challenge their opinions and they DO NOT like it one little bit. Often in their view their education puts them above us, the patients. Well, excuse me, but I'll be fucked if I'm gonna play that game any more. Their education comes from a book, my education comes from a lived experience. No book can ever give them a lived experience. If they think they have the right to judge, that's fine, but that also gives me the right to use exactly the same judgement measure on them. and they HATE it. But then so do I. We don't choose to be in this position, like I've said before "Who the hell would ever chose THIS??? Not I, that's for fuckin sure".
If you don't feel safe in disclosing Pug, then that's fine. I, for one, completely understand and although others may say 'It's safe' this is the WWW after all. Commonly that's the World Wide Web, BUT it can also be seen as the 'Wild, Wild West' a lawless subculture and you never really know who (or what) is watching. You should only ever disclose what you feel safe in disclosing. This stuff is personal, VERY fuckin personal, so don't ever feel pressured into disclosing what you don't feel safe in disclosing. Others want to judge? then fuck'em. You're keeping yourself safe and that's something that should be commended, not condemned.

Merl1n

 

[pug]

cheers merl1n

 

[Smokeyandtheblunt]

Thanks for the link Mer1in

 

[Merl1n]

No problems Smokey. As far as I'm concerned we NEED to share as much info as we can, be that weblinks, Dr's that WILL assist ('cos there's heaps that won't), other relevant info, all of it. Nobody and I mean NOBODY knows it all, no matter how much they profess otherwise. We all have our own resources for information. So share it around, let's keep ourselves as informed as we possibly can.

 

[Smokeyandtheblunt]

No problems Smokey. As far as I'm concerned we NEED to share as much info as we can, be that weblinks, Dr's that WILL assist ('cos there's heaps that won't), other relevant info, all of it. Nobody and I mean NOBODY knows it all, no matter how much they profess otherwise. We all have our own resources for information. So share it around, let's keep ourselves as informed as we possibly can.

hiya Merl1n, True we do need as much info as you can get,and from a few sources.