ASX and general share trading advice thread

Anoma

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Billy forgot to create an off topic section in this forum so now stocks and share trading is officially a Canna Hobby.

I know what you're thinking, "Are you fucking serious?!?", but yeah, Billy really forgot. Unbelievable, isn't it?

Anyway Pedders, start with those apps I mentioned and see what you think. It seems to me like they're the next generation of share trading, making it easier for the next generation to start investing and you know how millennials love doing things the easy way, on their phones or just automatically.

To me it seems appealing to the younger generation so I feel that it's like the next Uber but for stock trading, something that changes the game a bit, so from a technical perspective I'm very intrigued but it's always good to hear from people with different career backgrounds as they look at things in a different way than just the one industry does.

https://www.spaceship.com.au/voyager/

https://raizinvest.com.au/
 

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Pedro de pacas

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"Bitcoin settled into a range just above $38,000, up over 20% from a week ago and its highest level in over a month, as the market digested the implications of Amazon possibly adopting a strategy for payments in cryptocurrency.

It emerged last week that the U.S.’s biggest e-commerce company had advertised a vacancy for a digital currency product lead, sparking speculation that it may be planning to allow the use of crypto to settle transactions. The ad comes only weeks after a change at the top of Amazon, with founder Jeff Bezos handing over to Andy Jassy.

The move higher was amplified by some extreme short-covering: data from Bybt showed that $700 million in short positions were closed over the weekend, according to newswire reports."

?????? fucked if I know, I still think of it as Bitcon lol, good luck to anyone that plays with the crypto's


How much electricity does it cost to make ya $20 a day ?
 

Red Eye Hero

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$5 a day for the whole house it’s pretty much free electricity if I spend my mining profits on the bill which I don’t lol BTC is at 52k now it will reach 1 mill a coin eventually the last BTC will be mined in the year 2140 eth will rise to 100k in 5-10 years it’s only 3200 a coin
 

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Pedro de pacas

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Bitcon is $38429, not sure where your getting $52k from

Good luck hope it works out as ya plan

Prefer Gold as a store of wealth here, and the ASX casino for a gamble on the future riches


No doubt digital currency's are the future(not here lol), not so sure it will be bitcon ?, there are 11000 digital thingy's
lets see how they go when the central banks bring their own out
 
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Red Eye Hero

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Bitcon is $38429, not sure where your getting $52k from

Good luck hope it works out as ya plan

Prefer Gold as a store of wealth here, and the ASX casino for a gamble on the future riches


No doubt digital currency's are the future(not here lol), not so sure it will be bitcon ?, there are 11000 digital thingy's
lets see how they go when the central banks bring their own out
Your looking at usd price
 

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Anoma

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I don't want the whole focus of this thread to be about crypto because I'm genuinely interested in the share trading thing but it's cool to have it here too though.

Hold on to your hats (or bonnets, for the trans folk out there) ... because this may be a wild ride for the beginners and I apologise for the length but I at least try to making it entertaining while being informative.

I've been researching Bitcoin since 2010 when it was fairly new and at the time only really talked about in the community. Yes this is a long post, and no, I'm not a fanboy, just someone who has seen a lot and still sits in the middle observing while the two sides debate their points.

Forget the financial aspect of it for a moment because what attracted me to it was because it was possibly one of the most innovative and well coded creations in this generation or longer. When you've read all the research articles you could and you can't fault what you're reading, and then a few videos of some of the world's leading computer scientists are amazed at the structure and design of this new technology, I couldn't help but to believe my gut and also the experts. It's not often they see something that they didn't know was even possible to create.

So as for the financial aspect, as I said, it's been over ten years. I've seen the ups and downs over and over again every single day, just quickly check in for 2 mins every morning and see what's up, and there's a pattern and it's a long term positive one. I don't regret the $5.2mil that I could've had right now. Water under the bridge.

Why?
We'll swing back to that thought process a bit later but the basics are that if you keep living with regret of your past actions then you'll do your fucking head in. Seriously.
Look forward, not back. That's the easiest way I can explain it right now.

In a financial sense though, back then when this all started, we were all newbies and at that time it was stagnant and not much mainstream news bringing attention to Bitcoin. We just used it as a way to pay for things, there were no dreams of becoming billionaires and you shouldn't think this is a get rich quick scheme either.

Do I need to repeat that?! Because that is the most important point I'm going to make tonight. (there's others though)

In my experience over that time, I've learned not to bother reading the mainstream media crypto articles. If you do, then extensively research Bitcoin first and then you'll notice how little the 'journalists' know. Some of the misinformation I've read over the years has built up to the point where I shake my head when I see a new headline about crypto anything.
That may sound pretentious but I just hate it when people get paid to write about things they clearly don't know much about. They're phoning it in a lot of the time and Murdoch's rags are mostly to blame. Sydney Morning Herald and the rest of the main ones, etc.
There are teenagers who know more about the technical side of it than they do and it's an embarrassment.

Keep this between you and me but sometimes I punish myself by opening an article in the small hope that one day we'll get some actual facts instead of hype. I'll let you know when that happens.

By hype I mean I've noticed over 10+ years that ~70% of mainstream articles are written about a 'crash' (sometimes as little as 4% in a day, hardly a crash, that's normal behaviour, you bored sensationalist, give it a small time to recover).
Yet they hardly ever write about the recovery 2 days later back to normal. Or rises in value unless the price is at an all-time high (which doesn't happen often which is understandable).
I don't know what it is but I've recognised a pattern over the years...
Are the journalists mad that they missed the early boat?
Do they just not understand the tech enough to be confident about it?
Do they believe it's a scam and they just shit on it to have a laugh?

I don't know, but the bias is there in my experience, and I don't know why they seem shirty.

Another 10% of the articles are about rudimentary explanations about the technology behind it (but that was mainly in the first 5 or so years).
Another 10% are articles with a 'hedge fund guy' who is giving you his opinion on a new piece of technology that he doesn't fully understand so he speculates.
However when you talk about Bitcoin you will probably use the words 'currency', and 'trading', and 'exchange' so that finance guy over there in the corner must be a genius at this Bitcoin thing, right?

Yeah, every doctor is a good doctor, just like Dr Jayant Patel.
Good strategy, Mr/s journalist.

Now you know why one day you read about a hedge fund dude saying Bitcoin will reach a certain amount but the next day another hedge fund dude is saying something different.

Ignore all of it, learn it yourself and ignore the speculators. Look at the graphs, learn the patterns. The other 10% of news is just bits and pieces of unimportant info that you don't need for the long term.
Tidbits of info, if you will. Something to remember yet not extremely important.

It's when you start hearing, for example most recently, companies like Paypal getting on board.
That is the news that you need to pay attention to, not speculation about prices from a news rag. Research specialist news and compare their news to get a general idea of what to do next, if anything.

Similar to my question to Pedro earlier, if big money is investing in something, then maybe it's a good idea to jump on the last carriage before the train leaves the station.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Pedro, shares are not my thing.

I totally understand the confusion that some people may feel about cryptocurrency. Fuckwits are coming out with new coins all the time and it gets hyped and then goes nowhere...
I get it, I really do, and as a bystander I've seen it come and go and after a while it can make you feel jaded, even as an outsider.

Even though what I am about to say is not financial advice, if you are looking to invest in a new crypto before it's too late, then in my experience there are at least three problems that need to be solved and that new crypto that can solve those problems, will take over and become the 2.0

Bitcoin is the version 1.0 and in saying that I mean that it has flaws.
Flaws that without hindsight, 'Satoshi Nakamoto' couldn't avoid. Everyone makes mistakes, especially ones you don't see coming because you're a pioneer. It's unavoidable.

However it's what we're basing the next generation off of... or versions of it, anyway...

*continued*...
 

Anoma

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...but here goes, you bored motherfuckers, back to the 3 problems, in my opinion:

1. Power consumption

Environmental discussions are only going to get more prevalent as we move forward, whether a person thinks climate change is real or not, it's going to affect the crypto markets somehow unless someone creates a better coin to use less electricity.

It's a contentious issue but I'm not here to argue the points though. I think you get it.
Controversy is controversy either way.
Just remember, the societal hivemind is stronger than you think. Bandwagons are a real phenomenon as evidenced by recent times in all forms, political, racial, Covid, Coon Cheese, you name it...
Everyone hates [celebrity name] until they eventually get cleared of rape, but the damage is done, people as a collective are stupid..
Anyone reading this far is either willing to learn or just waiting for me to flip out, I know that, but herd mentality is also a real phenomenon too and behavioural science knows that. Don't get caught up in it.

At the end of the day, the consumption of power is the main issue, however sometimes greed outweighs the cost of whatever damage it's doing to the environment so the miners don't really give a shit.

Fuck, I just realised that I'm not even an environmentalist, I think I just don't like the massive mining farms in certain countries.
I've never even hugged a tree. Maybe I'm missing out? Meh, better things to do.

Now that I think about about it I didn't even hug my own trees, I'm a fucking asshole.
At least I've still got photos of those kids, before CPS took them away.

Anyway... on to nerd shit.


2. Storage space (Hard drives)

Sure, the blockchain only takes up ~350GB on your HDD/SSD. That's nothing, you have like, maybe 2TB's you think, heaps of spare space for anything so who gives a shit?
July 2018, 3 years ago, the blockchain took up half of that space on your computer. Think about what it will be in years to come, at that rate of expansion.
This is very reminiscent of Moore's Law, however in a different capacity, or context, if you will.
Most people don't think about how much storage their computers have, they just want to turn it on and have it to do what they want, NOW!
...and one day they'll run into a problem they don't understand because of this issue and they can't download any files.
That's a real problem. Not everyone is a 'geek' who has too many TB's.

3. Network load and it's effect on transaction times.

You know what people want right now? Anything.

That's part of the psychology of the modern person. A lot of the current generation have grown up not waiting for things to load like we old fuckers have. They click a button a couple of times and stuff happens. Tap an icon on their phone and they're instantly crushing candies like a junkie who can't get enough of the endless levels.

People are increasingly becoming impatient these days, they've been subconsciously conditioned to be impatient through a few generations of instant satisfaction. I am guilty of it myself, I know it, but I still can't help being that way sometimes, and neither should you blame yourself either.

Shit, I get a bit irked when Chrome or Firefox takes more than 1 second to open a tab occasionally, and that's 1.. fucking... second... occasionally.
Are you going to stand in a cafe and wait 10 minutes (depending on the level of blockchain traffic) while your coffee is ready, to pay for it with Bitcoin?
That's a bit of a deterrent for the average person if you opened your pitch with that selling point.
20 years ago, maybe not so much (if we had Bitcoin back then).

Sure, that's the median however it's the wait that counts, and the more people get used to not waiting long, they'll start getting angry soon when it takes slightly longer. Again, conditioning.

Whoever is reading this who happens to be under the age of 30, it may sound like I'm just an old man telling stories, but this is science. Tech isn't my only interest, I studied psychology as well at Swinburne because I was mainly interested in how manipulation in various forms permeates our culture and how it's used to sway people for advertising, gambling, video games, cultures, political arenas, and the one thing that is most advantageous to the psychopaths... how they manipulate people too.

Buy more stuff...
Play this new game...
Now click on this purchase pack...
How does someone like David Koresh convince all those people that he's the messiah?
And unfortunately this is going to hit home for some people... but do I even need to mention the poker machine companies? They have Psychs working with them to design new games. I've known software engineers who did work for these companies (reluctantly though, a job's a job when you're desperate).

The point is, instant satisfaction is what people are either used to or getting used to and every new thing has to try to accommodate that because we damn sure aren't going to slow back down.

Anyway, mass adoption for a new cryptocurrency means solving those problems otherwise it's just another copycat with a new shiny outfit.
Grunge music era was awesome but is it really still popular? I love it, but it's not making money for the big dogs anymore. The time has passed and useless cryptos (not all) have come and gone in the same way for good reason. They were hyped and didn't last when the hype was getting a bit tired and they were not cool anymore.

It was a fun ride if you were there for it, wasn't it? Just like riding the crypto rollercoaster of the newest coin, except the Grunge era lasted a lot longer than the next shitty crypto coin that doesn't serve a purpose other than to make the creator rich while everyone else gambles on it. You could get lucky, but you have to sleep sometime and that could be when it starts dropping dramatically.

Know the risks.

Anyway, with all that information it seems that people don't want to wait, and if a new crypto can solve those problems then people will adopt the new 2.0 coin and we'll use it until another problem comes along later.

The world will never run out of problems so at least that's one less thing to worry about.

Lastly for any newbies, do not keep your crypto in an exchange!! People were warned many times before the MtGox fiasco and they hopefully learned their lesson now but others keep doing it and end up getting burnt. FFS.

Once again, don't make me repeat myself :|

So yeah anyway, that's my experience. Hopefully someone can use what I've learned and benefit from it if they choose to do so, but I'm not telling you to though. It's your life, every day is a school day.

You might think I'm a bit high or mental or something lol, but there's a few people here who know what I'm like and this is a passionate subject because of the technology and potential for crypto to be useful, if done right.

I'm not here to convince anyone though, just give anyone who reads this the facts of my experience.

It was cathartic though. Who brought the peach cobbler? That was nice and tasty.
Daniel's lemonade was shit though, don't invite him to the next get-together.
 

Red Eye Hero

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I’ve been into crypto for 6 months now first started mining with my rtx3090 I got b4 the prices jumped I got mine for 2300 there now 3500 a card I honestly think that crypto is the future the bank system is fuck eg paying monthly fees, shitty interest rates, fees on sending large sums of money and waiting days for money to clear the good thing with crypto is it’s instant, you control your own money there is no monthly fees and you can stack coins together to get a wicked interest rate best I’ve see is 20% APY with hydra coin no fucking bank is going to give you 20% interest banks are scared of crypto and it’s power but sooner then later the banks will release there own coin in USA they all ready have a crypto bank that is fully funded by the federal reserve also visa and PayPal already back crypto at crypto.com app you can get a visa crypto card Coinbase are doing the same thing too anyway I love tech and crypto
 
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Red Eye Hero

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also here is a very good site on earning passive income show all the current cryptos and there potential in earning passive income
 

R3za92

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I’m doing crypto I’ve more then double my investment within 6 months I bought 0.8616 eth at $2700 I have 4500 dogecoins I bought at 0.07 cents and I mine BTC with my mining rig I built that makes $20 a day in BTC View attachment 14635
Mining something else like eth would probably be more profitable than btc. To make that $20 in btc how much electricity does your computer use?
 

R3za92

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$5 a day for the whole house it’s pretty much free electricity if I spend my mining profits on the bill which I don’t lol BTC is at 52k now it will reach 1 mill a coin eventually the last BTC will be mined in the year 2140 eth will rise to 100k in 5-10 years it’s only 3200 a coin
No way your mining rig uses only $5 a day in electricity. My laptop uses more than that. How many watts is your rig?

edit: a rtx3090 uses 350w of power on its own so 8.5kw/day of electricity without anything else assuming 24/7 mining (its actually more power because of efficiency losses etc in the psu). For that same amount of power I can light a grow space on a 12/12 cycle with 700w. 400w in a 4x4 yeilds me a pound(ish), assuming 12 week cycle (4 veg, 8 flower) so about 5.4g/day @ $10-20/g is $50-100
 
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