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Which one is the President?View attachment 64312
Like this guy? Or is he an exception?
You sure you aren't a trump supporter?
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He has already stated he and Netanyahu are war heroes. He was the one who ordered the strikes
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It’s pretty important for Don,he’s very needy. He needs this cos Obama got one. He will need another for economics next,probably not science,but who knows! Politics tracts a lot of people with personality disorders. France almost makes it compulsory that president has one. Trump is special.The Department of War??
I can already smell that coveted Nobel Peace Prize for Grandpa Rapist.
He has already stated he and Netanyahu are war heroes. He was the one who ordered the strikes
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Should’ve paid the tariff.
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Sounds very much like a Department of War.
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A few interesting takes on current issues ....
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Csnt believe it's Friday already hope everyone has a good weekend ay
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No surprises here
The USA economy is going backwards.
The * alleged* jobs that tariffs were supposed to create, aren't happening.
In fact its having the exact opposite affect.
Complete economic illiteracy on full display .
Another $4 TRILLION added onto expenditure and theyre going backwards, even faster.
We are watching the economic free fall of the world's biggest economy.
Market forces have spoken.
Tariffs anyone??
The USA economy is going backwards.
The * alleged* jobs that tariffs were supposed to create, aren't happening.
In fact its having the exact opposite affect.
Complete economic illiteracy on full display .
Another $4 TRILLION added onto expenditure and theyre going backwards, even faster.
We are watching the economic free fall of the world's biggest economy.
Market forces have spoken.
Tariffs anyone??
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So we're Cartel Sympathizer's now? Just totally disregard what they're doing to their own people, country, and abroad. After all, they need love too!
This might be a little inconvenient..
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This is an important article discussing recent Nazi activity in Oz .....
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Part #1
Dennis Glover - The seven lessons of Nazi history
Occasionally something happens that turns our collective minds to history. That happened this week when Nazis dominated Australian headlines for possibly the first time since the end of World War II.Australia’s Nazis are rattling the cage, trying to transform themselves from a secretive, mask-wearing sect into a political movement that influences our political ideas and controls the streets through violence. Their leader – bald-headed, dark-shirted, with a statement-making moustache – is staring at us defiantly from our newsfeeds and front pages.
Some might say they’re just a micro-cult of idiots; ignore them and they will go away. Thirty years ago, perhaps, but not now.
To understand why this has changed, we only need to look at the state of the world. Nazi-inspired agitators may be few in number, but they are casting a giant shadow through their explosive ideas and aggressive tactics, which are rapidly being copied by more mainstream politicians who should know better. This is how Nazis have always operated and likely always will. Like all ultra-radical movements that don’t have to deal with messy political realities or worry about the truth, their words and actions have a clarity that is easily understood and has strong appeal to the frustrated, impatient, unheard and unhinged. In Germany, France and Italy, parties inspired by Nazis – or with actual historical roots in Nazism and fascism – are either in power or threatening to achieve it. In the United States, Nazi-like groups were prominently involved in the assault on the Capitol on January 6, 2021.
Let’s not call them neo-Nazis because there’s nothing new about them. Look at how they dress, their violent street tactics, the way they openly admire Adolf Hitler, call themselves his followers, talk of racial purity (white Australians are “thoroughbreds”) and deny the Holocaust. They are Nazis, and proud of it.
To combat them we should look to history and especially to the mistakes our grandparents and great-grandparents made in combatting the original Nazis.
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Part #2
What can history tell us?
Lesson 1. We must not be complacent, kidding ourselves that these Nazis will disappear if we ignore them. From little things, big things grow. These people are always potentially dangerous – and we are at the moment of maximum danger as they look to build a movement that can influence the mainstream. There were only about 40 of them at the Melbourne rally, but look how easily they took control of a directionless crowd. We may think they can’t get bigger; history says otherwise.
Lesson 2. Beware unexpected catastrophes. Nazis – much like other authoritarians such as Russian President Vladimir Putin – are waiting for catastrophic events to favour them.
In the 1928 elections at the Reichstag, the Weimar-era German parliament, Hitler’s Nazi Party won just 2.6 per cent of the vote. They were an irrelevancy, or so most thought. Then in 1929 came the Great Depression. As Germany descended into political gloom, the Nazis were able to pose as national saviours, offering a simple and appealing message of national redemption. They provided a voice for the voiceless, a conspiracy theory to explain the catastrophe, and enemies to blame. How familiar does this sound, as our own Nazis rail about imaginary violations of their freedom of speech, denounce immigration as the cause of every problem and vent against recent migrants and Indigenous Australians? They may not gain the same level of influence as Hitler’s Nazis, but they can spread hatred and wreak havoc.
In 1930, the Nazi vote increased sevenfold to 18.3 per cent. In July 1932, it roughly doubled again to 37.3 per cent. Six months later, the party was in power.
What can history tell us?
Lesson 1. We must not be complacent, kidding ourselves that these Nazis will disappear if we ignore them. From little things, big things grow. These people are always potentially dangerous – and we are at the moment of maximum danger as they look to build a movement that can influence the mainstream. There were only about 40 of them at the Melbourne rally, but look how easily they took control of a directionless crowd. We may think they can’t get bigger; history says otherwise.
Lesson 2. Beware unexpected catastrophes. Nazis – much like other authoritarians such as Russian President Vladimir Putin – are waiting for catastrophic events to favour them.
In the 1928 elections at the Reichstag, the Weimar-era German parliament, Hitler’s Nazi Party won just 2.6 per cent of the vote. They were an irrelevancy, or so most thought. Then in 1929 came the Great Depression. As Germany descended into political gloom, the Nazis were able to pose as national saviours, offering a simple and appealing message of national redemption. They provided a voice for the voiceless, a conspiracy theory to explain the catastrophe, and enemies to blame. How familiar does this sound, as our own Nazis rail about imaginary violations of their freedom of speech, denounce immigration as the cause of every problem and vent against recent migrants and Indigenous Australians? They may not gain the same level of influence as Hitler’s Nazis, but they can spread hatred and wreak havoc.
In 1930, the Nazi vote increased sevenfold to 18.3 per cent. In July 1932, it roughly doubled again to 37.3 per cent. Six months later, the party was in power.
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Part #3
Lesson 3. Don’t underestimate them. Much of the analysis and rhetoric about today’s Nazis seems wrong. They look like bumptious fools, and their leader comes across as an aggressive, breathless try-hard, screeching idiotic statements free of facts. But Hitler and his Brownshirts were laughed at, too. We must stop calling them “cowards”. This is comforting but delusional. Male courage, political violence and endless struggle is one of the strongest defining characteristics of Nazism – then and now. They are tough and nasty and unafraid, and it’s better to acknowledge this and accept they are dangerous.
Lesson 4. Never acknowledge that they may have a point. I’ve lost count of the number of callers to talkback radio this week who have said things like: “I hold no truck for Nazis and fascists, but you’ve got to admit they have a point about immigration and the direction of the country.” While politicians may think it clever to try to wean people away from extremists by acknowledging their discontent, this only provides legitimacy for dangerous ideas. The mainstream conservative establishment in Germany was complicit in this by waving through the persecution of Jews.
Lesson 5. Nazis can’t be co-opted or controlled. Many believe Hitler came to power through the popular vote, but that’s not the case. He never received much more than a third of the vote. He was put in power by establishment politicians, businessmen and media moguls, who believed they could make him chancellor, pack his cabinet with moderating influences and steal his voters. A year later, some of these geniuses were dead.
Any politician who thinks it’s a smart tactic to share platforms with Nazis, or go soft on criticising them or their supporters, is a fool. Hitler’s aim was always to supplant the mainstream conservative parties, not assist their re-election campaigns. His tactics caused chaos in the conservative parties – something the Victorian Liberals might profitably ponder, given that much of their current internal misery can be traced back to the appearance of Hitler-saluting Nazis at a Liberal MP-organised rally on the steps of Victoria’s Parliament House in 2023. Today’s Nazis likely don’t give a damn about the Coalition; they want to destroy it. Maybe they already have.
Lesson 3. Don’t underestimate them. Much of the analysis and rhetoric about today’s Nazis seems wrong. They look like bumptious fools, and their leader comes across as an aggressive, breathless try-hard, screeching idiotic statements free of facts. But Hitler and his Brownshirts were laughed at, too. We must stop calling them “cowards”. This is comforting but delusional. Male courage, political violence and endless struggle is one of the strongest defining characteristics of Nazism – then and now. They are tough and nasty and unafraid, and it’s better to acknowledge this and accept they are dangerous.
Lesson 4. Never acknowledge that they may have a point. I’ve lost count of the number of callers to talkback radio this week who have said things like: “I hold no truck for Nazis and fascists, but you’ve got to admit they have a point about immigration and the direction of the country.” While politicians may think it clever to try to wean people away from extremists by acknowledging their discontent, this only provides legitimacy for dangerous ideas. The mainstream conservative establishment in Germany was complicit in this by waving through the persecution of Jews.
Lesson 5. Nazis can’t be co-opted or controlled. Many believe Hitler came to power through the popular vote, but that’s not the case. He never received much more than a third of the vote. He was put in power by establishment politicians, businessmen and media moguls, who believed they could make him chancellor, pack his cabinet with moderating influences and steal his voters. A year later, some of these geniuses were dead.
Any politician who thinks it’s a smart tactic to share platforms with Nazis, or go soft on criticising them or their supporters, is a fool. Hitler’s aim was always to supplant the mainstream conservative parties, not assist their re-election campaigns. His tactics caused chaos in the conservative parties – something the Victorian Liberals might profitably ponder, given that much of their current internal misery can be traced back to the appearance of Hitler-saluting Nazis at a Liberal MP-organised rally on the steps of Victoria’s Parliament House in 2023. Today’s Nazis likely don’t give a damn about the Coalition; they want to destroy it. Maybe they already have.
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Lesson 6. Don’t give them an even break. In 1923, Hitler attempted a coup in Munich, aiming to take over the government of Bavaria and march on Berlin to seize power, just as fascist leader Benito Mussolini had succeeded in doing in Italy the previous year. It failed and Hitler was arrested and tried for insurrection. Instead of being given the death penalty he was given a comfortable prison cell where he wrote Mein Kampf before he was released early and his party re-legalised. Had he simply been made to serve out his full term of imprisonment, he wouldn’t have been around to take political advantage of the Great Depression, and World War II might not have happened. The failure to prosecute and jail Donald Trump after his assault on the Capitol should be sufficient proof that history repeats.
The temptation is to say we shouldn’t jail these homebred Nazis or their leader because it’s what they want, or because while we may disagree with them, they deserve their freedom of speech, or because they are expressing popular beliefs. This is nonsense. These Nazis, like the original Nazis, would regard this as weakness – certainly a courtesy they would never extend were the jackboot on the other foot. Common sense tells us that when Nazis brazenly commit crime, they should be penalised to the full extent of the law, because anything less will only embolden and enable them to come back for more.
We got a glimpse of this in Melbourne this week. After the completion of the rally, the Nazis were free to leave, seemingly unwatched. And what did they do? They staged their pogrom at Camp Sovereignty, where they allegedly battered First Nations women. Two days later, their leader interrupted a press conference by Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan, and was finally handcuffed and arrested outside the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court along with two associates in relation to the Camp Sovereignty incident. The Nazis mean our community nothing but harm, and believing the promises they may make to moderate their behaviour is naive. After 1923, Hitler claimed to be a changed man – until he got into power.
Lesson 6. Don’t give them an even break. In 1923, Hitler attempted a coup in Munich, aiming to take over the government of Bavaria and march on Berlin to seize power, just as fascist leader Benito Mussolini had succeeded in doing in Italy the previous year. It failed and Hitler was arrested and tried for insurrection. Instead of being given the death penalty he was given a comfortable prison cell where he wrote Mein Kampf before he was released early and his party re-legalised. Had he simply been made to serve out his full term of imprisonment, he wouldn’t have been around to take political advantage of the Great Depression, and World War II might not have happened. The failure to prosecute and jail Donald Trump after his assault on the Capitol should be sufficient proof that history repeats.
The temptation is to say we shouldn’t jail these homebred Nazis or their leader because it’s what they want, or because while we may disagree with them, they deserve their freedom of speech, or because they are expressing popular beliefs. This is nonsense. These Nazis, like the original Nazis, would regard this as weakness – certainly a courtesy they would never extend were the jackboot on the other foot. Common sense tells us that when Nazis brazenly commit crime, they should be penalised to the full extent of the law, because anything less will only embolden and enable them to come back for more.
We got a glimpse of this in Melbourne this week. After the completion of the rally, the Nazis were free to leave, seemingly unwatched. And what did they do? They staged their pogrom at Camp Sovereignty, where they allegedly battered First Nations women. Two days later, their leader interrupted a press conference by Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan, and was finally handcuffed and arrested outside the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court along with two associates in relation to the Camp Sovereignty incident. The Nazis mean our community nothing but harm, and believing the promises they may make to moderate their behaviour is naive. After 1923, Hitler claimed to be a changed man – until he got into power.
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Lesson 7. Nazis and similar extremists can succeed in influencing politics here in Australia. If it can happen in Europe, America and Britain, where Nazi-inspired rioters last year attempted to burn down a refugee hostel – it can happen here. All it needs is a spark and it can spread. The Great Depression may not happen again, but in this era of pandemics, trade wars and major military conflict, it’s not too difficult to imagine a scenario that might propel these Nazis, or their evil ideas, to greater prominence.
Historians have called Australia’s democracy a laboratory. The current moment is a laboratory-like opportunity to learn from the mistakes of the long-ago past and stop these Nazis before their movement grows and ideas spread. Europe and the United States failed to do this; we mustn’t. Let’s be part of the solution to the global spread of Nazis and their ideas.
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Lesson 7. Nazis and similar extremists can succeed in influencing politics here in Australia. If it can happen in Europe, America and Britain, where Nazi-inspired rioters last year attempted to burn down a refugee hostel – it can happen here. All it needs is a spark and it can spread. The Great Depression may not happen again, but in this era of pandemics, trade wars and major military conflict, it’s not too difficult to imagine a scenario that might propel these Nazis, or their evil ideas, to greater prominence.
Historians have called Australia’s democracy a laboratory. The current moment is a laboratory-like opportunity to learn from the mistakes of the long-ago past and stop these Nazis before their movement grows and ideas spread. Europe and the United States failed to do this; we mustn’t. Let’s be part of the solution to the global spread of Nazis and their ideas.
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