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Porky

The Dwarf Hermie King
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My soil doesn't specifically. It's soil and presence of soil microbes in general. Can be any organic soil. Seems to be the experience of most, backed up by a couple of studies... But obviously not an experience shared by everyone.
Personally I think it has nothing to do with the medium it's plant genetics!!

Can you link the studies done here please mate??
I looked about a year ago into the subject after a discussion on a yank forum but I couldn't find anything credible!!
 

Porky

The Dwarf Hermie King
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All good man, I appreciate the feedback. Hydroponics is a completely different beast and some growers just don't ever get the results they're after when trying out organics. There's a reason massive companies in North America are switching out their facilities to living soil though. BTW, how did U determine U weren't over or underwatering? I find that a tensiometer style moisture meter can help guide.
I do believe organic soil is the best for farming/agriculture and general planet health though!!
 

Donothing-garden

Blooming
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Personally I think it has nothing to do with the medium it's plant genetics!!

Can you link the studies done here please mate??
I looked about a year ago into the subject after a discussion on a yank forum but I couldn't find anything credible!!
Yeah I'll dig it up. For sure, plant genetics is the most important factor for determining whether your crops tastes, smells, produces the compounds U want etc. I agree 100%
 

Donothing-garden

Blooming
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Yeah I'll dig it up. For sure, plant genetics is the most important factor for determining whether your crops tastes, smells, produces the compounds U want etc. I agree 100%
Here's one from 2014 about floral terpenes synthesis and it's reduction after removal of microbiome
I'll find a couple specific to cannabis.
 

Donothing-garden

Blooming
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Here's one from 2014 about floral terpenes synthesis and it's reduction after removal of microbiome
I'll find a couple specific to cannabis.
And we all know organic tomatoes taste way better than hydro tomatoes.
 

puggle6

Baked
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@Donothing-garden Regarding hydro and the above microbiota

Most hydro systems are not sterile, there is all kinds of shit growing in it and the symbiotic exchanges/handshakes are doing their thing in the rhizosphere

Many will run synthetic nutes and h2o2 in DWC but that symbiotic relationship is not completely removed from the root ball in particular.

I recently saw a DWC grower using a top feed + bubbler in the res almost kill a plant by using h202, I suspect he killed all symbiotic life in the root ball of his plant by running the h202 rich mix across the base of his plant, he flushed and it did recover.
 

Madmick

Baked
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All good man, I appreciate the feedback. Hydroponics is a completely different beast and some growers just don't ever get the results they're after when trying out organics. There's a reason massive companies in North America are switching out their facilities to living soil though. BTW, how did U determine U weren't over or underwatering? I find that a tensiometer style moisture meter can help guide.
Weight and soil moisture meter
 

Billygoat

420
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It's just total bullshit that claim!!

Might as well chuck my two cents in. I grew in the easy as a few years back, water only for one GSC.

Other GSC in soil i mixed and also fed tasted different. Mates that consumed it ended up calling it "dirt weed" as its taste was quite unique...... actually wish I had some more now.

Mic.. growing for long periods doesn't make you an authority on something you clearly don't understand...
 

Aye Shroomer

Baked
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I've found with the addition of wood fibre, its way easier to rewet when left to dry a bit too much... Gets way less hydrophobic.
Would this be similar in principle to how hugelkultur works. I’m going to make some raised beds from pallets and plan on using old wood at the bottom a la hugelkultur.

I’m also interested to know how the new blend would run in greensmart/earthboxes. I ended up grabbing some greensmart planters.
 

pug

Vegetating
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a bit controversial, coming from a LOSer .... hehehe .... i'm going with Living Organic Soiler for the acronym .... lol.

but in australia and for most growers using no-till growing techniques, i can see more advantages for perlite than disadvantages. it's true that it takes a substantial amount of heat to make perlite ... but many of the other inputs that we use, also require high energy inputs, such as biochar. from an environmental perspective ... most of the perlite sourced in oz, comes from nth qld and they seem to have their process pretty down-pat ... for all i know, they could be using energy from the hydro plant up there. compared to the energy needed to grow, harvest and transport peat and coir ... it doesn't seem too bad.

as to breaking down ... my feeling after using a shit load of different pots over the years, is that the pot will breakdown before the perlite in the soil mix. this pot issue and the amount that i move houses, has placed me more in the the ROLS (recycled organic living soil) camp, rather than the no-till camp. As to floating ... i haven't found this a problem with my soil mixes and perlite dust is easily sorted by wetting the perlite before mixing.

the huge pro for me is weight. i've gone down the pumice route and also the sharp sand route and perlite makes more sense for my two-plant elevated setup - i raise my pots about 70cm, as i used to kink my neck watering them, when they were on the ground.:)

i think the only thing i might experiment with in the future for my aeration needs, would be buckwheat husks. i've used them for my pillows for ages and i know that they last donkeys.:)
 

Madmick

Baked
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What kind of meter? Measuring soil moisture tension or soil moisture as a percent? These kinds of living soil growing media really need a tensiometer and aim for 100mbar.
So what else do I need to get a result?

Seems you may need to change label to also worm castings
Might as well chuck my two cents in. I grew in the easy as a few years back, water only for one GSC.

Other GSC in soil i mixed and also fed tasted different. Mates that consumed it ended up calling it "dirt weed" as its taste was quite unique...... actually wish I had some more now.

Mic.. growing for long periods doesn't make you an authority on something you clearly don't understand...
Exactly what don't I understand goat , what good organic or hydro is ?

That his Do nothing in the garden soil is far from just water ?

That not just me have had problems with it

I don't know how to water a pot ?

That was a cop out , your fault it don't work because you didn't water correctly ?

That I need a special water meter to make it work ?

Never said I was a authority, show me where I even said that ?

What I did say is that I know how a good soul should work , and have managed my own plots yr in yr out and they still performed

I also stated I know what quality weed is is , indoors or out how does that make me a authority?
 

puggle6

Baked
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So what else do I need to get a result?

Seems you may need to change label to also worm castings

Exactly what don't I understand goat , what good organic or hydro is ?

That his Do nothing in the garden soil is far from just water ?

That not just me have had problems with it

I don't know how to water a pot ?

That was a cop out , your fault it don't work because you didn't water correctly ?

That I need a special water meter to make it work ?

Never said I was a authority, show me where I even said that ?

What I did say is that I know how a good soul should work , and have managed my own plots yr in yr out and they still performed

I also stated I know what quality weed is is , indoors or out how does that make me a authority?
Bills plants are looking bitchin bro!
Better than Porky's even, because Bills are non existent :p
 
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