DIY Rick Simpson Oil, some advice needed

HobbyGardener02

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Anyone doing their own RSO/FECO, what solvent do you use here in Australia? Any particular tips/advice regarding the process would be much appreciated.
I've done it once as per Rick's instructions, it's worked well, only I've used shellite* as a solvent. The resulting oil needs to be put into enteric coated caps for ingesting, as there's still a touch of a residue/smell from shellite which makes for terrible burps and aftertaste if taken directly under the tongue.
So, what's a better way of making the oil? Please advise me.Thanks
 

Raniformis

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Shit hey, FECO, had to Google it.

Butane gives a full extraction of the stuff you want. Butane is a non polar solvent and cannabinoids are non polar. The low boiling point makes it harder to work with but also allows for less heat to be used during the purge. Less heat equals less degradation and more flavour.

Next is butane extraction to ethanol, gives you a full extraction with the flexibility of a high boiling point solvent. Example, ethanol can easily be stored in a freezer for filtering etc. Higher boiling point equals more heat to purge the ethanol though.

Ethanol is a polar solvent with a non polar element. It doesn't give a full exraction of non polar materials and also extracts polar materials (water soluble like chlorophyll).

That's the nuts and bolts of it with hydrocarbon vs ethanol.
 

HobbyGardener02

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Shit hey, FECO, had to Google it.

Butane gives a full extraction of the stuff you want. Butane is a non polar solvent and cannabinoids are non polar. The low boiling point makes it harder to work with but also allows for less heat to be used during the purge. Less heat equals less degradation and more flavour.

Next is butane extraction to ethanol, gives you a full extraction with the flexibility of a high boiling point solvent. Example, ethanol can easily be stored in a freezer for filtering etc. Higher boiling point equals more heat to purge the ethanol though.

Ethanol is a polar solvent with a non polar element. It doesn't give a full exraction of non polar materials and also extracts polar materials (water soluble like chlorophyll).

That's the nuts and bolts of it with hydrocarbon vs ethanol.
Cheers mate, this is great background info, do you have a couple good links of how to do butane extraction? Pure ethanol is so expensive, and I don't know how to do my own still.

Can the end product (butane extracted oil) be mixed with another edible oil at all? (I would say yes, but still to confirm)


Thanks
 

Sistermaryelephant

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If you are using it as a pain killer you maybe confusing iso with full extraction oil
To make this you simply need vegetable glycerine or coconut oil
The can be done by the magic butter machine , giving full extraction
I find this much better for all applications
I do make iso as well ,but that's more to get smashed although it can help with sleep due to the very heavy stone
Full extraction, dont get me wrong ,you have enough (10ml) it will get you smashed too
It much easier to consume and can be placed into capsules for smaller doses
 

Merl1n

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but iso is quite dear for the amount needed, hence the question if something cheaper can do. Cheers
That really depends on where you get your iso from. Iso is used in the electronics industry to clean circuitboards. Electronic wholesalers (Not Dick Smith or Tandy's) stock it (well, that's where I get mine). Cleaning chemical wholesalers also stock it in bulk.
 

afghan bob

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Sooty's on the money, usually around $50 for 5 ltrs of 99% iso on flea-bay
Sometimes u gotta pay postage but not 2 bad

Just make sure u evape all iso outta your mix and add sm amount of water right at the end of evape
Plenty of ideas on u-tube
If u get it right with iso mix, believe me u will become a star pilot
 

HobbyGardener02

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$25 for 250ml bunnings
Makes for nearly $400 per gallon, hence my question here :)
How much iso do you need per run? Can get 5lt of 99% on eBay for $40 delivered
wow, that's a good price for iso. Just hope I don't get metho delivered instead. Pretty sure I couldn't test it, could I?
Just make sure u evape all iso outta your mix and add sm amount of water right at the end of evape
Plenty of ideas on u-tube
If u get it right with iso mix, believe me u will become a star pilot
thank you
 

elsooto

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Makes for nearly $400 per gallon, hence my question here :)

wow, that's a good price for iso. Just hope I don't get metho delivered instead. Pretty sure I couldn't test it, could I?

thank you
Not sure about the testing but here is the link if you wanna suss it out..
 

Sistermaryelephant

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Makes for nearly $400 per gallon, hence my question here :)

wow, that's a good price for iso. Just hope I don't get metho delivered instead. Pretty sure I couldn't test it, could I?

thank you

I don't think you know how much you need
You need heaps of weed , not much iso
So you can spend the money for 5 litres , you use a little to make iso the rest is going to sit around for a long long long time
1 litre has lasted me 1.5 yes, still plenty left
As I said which you didn't take any notice of is a full extraction, the magic butter machine costs about 200 ,
Buy 5 litres and waste 4
If money is tight 125ml from bunnings is about 12 bucks ,that will make you at least 7 grams of iso, depending on the quality of your weed
Broken down to capsule size , which you won't be able to do anyway , you are 20201008_121109.jpg20201008_121115.jpggoing to have to decarb first,you just can't consume weed witbout doing this ,it won't work otherwise,
Another thing to take into consideration is ,in the making of iso some of the cannabinoids have not been infused into the iso
Full extraction gives all the benefits
I'll leave you to the experts
 
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HobbyGardener02

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I don't think you know how much you need
You need heaps of weed , not much iso
So you can spend the money for 5 litres , you use a little to make iso the rest is going to sit around for a long long long time
1 litre has lasted me 1.5 yes, still plenty left
My first and only attempt as per phoenixtears.ca required 2.5l of solvent for 8oz of... herb. Produced 30ml of good RSO.
As I said which you didn't take any notice of is a full extraction, the magic butter machine costs about 200 ,
I just spent some time checking out the magic butter machine in regard to RSO.
Magic Butter Machine + Stove top vs rice cooker method.
Makes no difference that I can see, but maybe you can enlighten me.
Buy 5 litres and waste 4
If money is tight 125ml from bunnings is about 12 bucks ,that will make you at least 7 grams of iso, depending on the quality of your weed
I don't know what to say to this.
Broken down to capsule size , which you won't be able to do anyway ,
what does this mean mate?
you are going to have to decarb first,you just can't consume weed witbout doing this ,it won't work otherwise, Another thing to take into consideration is ,in the making of iso some of the cannabinoids have not been infused into the iso
I know about decarbing.
Full extraction gives all the benefits
I'll leave you to the experts
I went back to find your previous post. Maybe you misunderstood me, maybe I wasn't clear enough
If you are using it as a pain killer you maybe confusing iso with full extraction oil
To make this you simply need vegetable glycerine or coconut oil
The can be done by the magic butter machine , giving full extraction
I find this much better for all applications
When I write "iso" I mean "isoprophyl alcohol", I don't know what you mean by it.
I don't need tincture, I need a cancer killer, as in RSO (Rick Simpson Oil) or FECO (full extract cannabis oil).
I do make iso as well ,but that's more to get smashed although it can help with sleep due to the very heavy stone
Full extraction, dont get me wrong ,you have enough (10ml) it will get you smashed too
It much easier to consume and can be placed into capsules for smaller doses
This is not something I need "to get smashed", it's to try and save my wife's life. Just to avoid confusion.

In any case, I can't find the magic butter machine under $269
 

Sistermaryelephant

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It just seems to me that there is a lot of waste making rso, iso is just another word for the same thing ,iso oil ,
It can be done using much smaller amounts of iso, giving just as clean a potent oil
Step 1 freeze your pot
Get 2 jars , put pot in 1 pour isotropyll alcohol in over frozen pot until all is wet
Drain using cheese cloth into other jar
Repeat to get the last of it, leave it too long gets too much chlorophyll,
Once drained the 2nd time you should have a nice dark coloured solution
Put into a saucepan,non stick and slowly evaporate the iso out ,be carefull not too hot , a well ventilated area, keep turning pot to keep oil in 1 location in pan
Pan on a small angle will do
When nearly all evaporated add a few drops of water,
When there is no more bubbles its done
Cover pot and leave for 24hrs
You end up with exactly the same product
Now why would we use a full extraction instead of oil
When making the oil ,rso iso same thing , your focus is on thc, forgetting that weed has much more to offer
A full extraction gives the benefit of the thc and the rest of the plant
It is much easier and quicker to consume
I recently made a batch of both for a friends mother
1 was rso ( iso ) infused into coconut oil
The other a full extraction done with vegetable glycerine

She had been using rso (iso) and not showing any benefit apart from tiredness from the oil


After 5 days of the full extraction she was up and moving
I'm not going into her problem only to say she is riddled with cancer

4 or 5 weeks down the track, she says that the full extraction is better for her
 
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Cooper

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I'm amazed that VG is such a good solvent. I vape the douche flute (e cig) which is mostly VG so this sounds pretty cool. I reckon I might have a play. Thanks SME.
 
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