Growth Vs Big Bills

[Pixie]

Just grow outside it's fucking cheaper

 

[ShellzShuff3]

I just grabbed the Photone app for my phone and use that - nowhere as accurate as a dedicated meter but I reckon it’s close enough for my needs - also has a DLI setting if you want to avoid doing the calcs …

Sweet - thanks mate!

 

[benn0]

Just grow outside it's fucking cheaper

wordd

 

[veritas629]

What is this DLI you speak of??
Daily light intake I'll guess?
How is it measured?
I should probably look it up!
I have noticed plants don't for me anyway seem to grow any faster from 18h onwards to 24h so I just run 18h maybe I'll drop it to 16h next run and see if I notice any difference!

DLI = Daily Light Integral. In short, its a cumulative measurement of light over 24hrs. The idea is that plants can use a certain amount light per day and anymore is a waste. Different than a typical PAR measurement that measures how much light emitted in a second. Like everything in cannabis growing, some people swear by it and others say bullocks!

 

[Pixie]

Outdoors Sun comes up. Sun goes down. You don't have to worry about all that shit. You've only got to worry about mould, copper's, grass hoppers, fence hoppers , caterpillars and shit like that but the Sun is free

 

[Porky]

DLI = Daily Light Integral. In short, its a cumulative measurement of light over 24hrs. The idea is that plants can use a certain amount light per day and anymore is a waste. Different than a typical PAR measurement that measures how much light emitted in a second. Like everything in cannabis growing, some people swear by it and others say bullocks!

Yeah interesting!!
I'll have a look into it!
This been around for a while or is it a newer thing?

 

[Dynaboo]

Every living everything enjoys a rest every now and then

 

[Yamumzbum]

I shouldn't say "haven't noticed a difference" as they were all with comparable DLI.

I have however had generally unhappy plants running 20 or 24 hours, and leggy plants running 12/12 before I got a Meter and adjusted intensity accordingly.

This was an amnesia auto grown at 12/12 in an 80x80 under a 200w quantum board.
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And here's two week stretch at 14 hours with a GDP auto and a blackberry gum auto in a 2x4 with a 240w quantum board.
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The benefits of autos can come when you have an underpowered light. For example with a 100w quantum board in a 70x70 at 16" and 20 hours you could reach a dli of 40 easily, whereas a small quantum board just wouldn't have the footprint to hit 800-1000umol/s over the whole canopy in a 12 hour period, and would require a lighting upgrade.

For example here's an ak420 auto that was grown in a 2x4 with a 130w quantum board which equates to 16w per square foot. Would not have been possible to cover that area with enough intensity to reach DLI at 12 hours, hence it needing a 20 hour schedule.
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Sorry mate you did make clear your dli levels when running those tome cycles.
This is all great information thanks for your input.

Can you tell me what sort of sensors you use to get your DLI leves?
It's something I'd like to invest in.

 

[Yamumzbum]

all plants need a rest including autos
even just 4 hours of darkness will allow the plant to deal with stress and recover somewhat during the downtime

It only makes sense doesn't it.
It's been well proven that we humans do much of our repairing during our sleep.
I think generally the repercussions lacking sleep is more cerebral (is that the right word) to begin with, things like slowed reactions and difficulty concentrating and it's mainly with long term sleep loss that it starts effecting us physically.. could plants be the same and their vitality towards the end of life (flower) suffers along with the yield perhaps.

All due to not getting their precious sleep!!

Bloody women

 

[Yamumzbum]

Just grow outside it's fucking cheaper

I'd love to grow some monstrosity outside Pixie but I'm 3 stories up and my balcony is a stingy size.

 

[Old fox]

Too many variables to be certain of best approach. But in cold winter, keeping lights on 24 hours creates/maintains heat in grow space. Too much cold temps will slow down veg growth. So there's an added advantage in winter, but its unquantifiable.

 

[Yamumzbum]

Too many variables to be certain of best approach. But in cold winter, keeping lights on 24 hours creates/maintains heat in grow space. Too much cold temps will slow down veg growth. So there's an added advantage in winter, but its unquantifiable.

Oi buddy you still gotta vote alright

A simple FUCK will suffice old fox haha

Hey mate I was the lucky winner of some autos and one of the bags had your DNA all over it.. in ink of course Lol what's the AGG stand for?

 

[Old fox]

Oi buddy you still gotta vote alright

A simple FUCK will suffice old fox haha

Hey mate I was the lucky winner of some autos and one of the bags had your DNA all over it.. in ink of course Lol what's the AGG stand for?View attachment 29235

Alien Gorilla Glue. My vote is for sitting on the fence, as I don't know the most economical approach. Lol

 

[Pixie]

I'd love to grow some monstrosity outside Pixie but I'm 3 stories up and my balcony is a stingy size.

Unfortunately I can't grow monsters anymore. I'm in the middle of town on the main road plus there's too many people that live here now . But I do have a 6 ft fence and a cattle Dog

 

[VinDeezle]

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Sorry mate you did make clear your dli levels when running those tome cycles.
This is all great information thanks for your input.

Can you tell me what sort of sensors you use to get your DLI leves?
It's something I'd like to invest in.

I use a uni-t ut383 Bluetooth lux Meter and rent an apogee to get a rough idea on how accurate it comes out. If I multiply lux by 0.016 it gets PAR withing 3-5% of the apogee. With my 301b board it's 0.016, with my 281b boards it's closer to 0.015 due to differences in spectrum.

You can use it as the sensor for the ppfd app as well which makes it far more accurate at gauging intensity, and it calculates DLI for you. Without the uni-t Meter my oppo wouldn't read over 35k lux/570umol/s at all and was next to useless.

 

[Yamumzbum]

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I use a uni-t ut383 Bluetooth lux Meter and rent an apogee to get a rough idea on how accurate it comes out. If I multiply lux by 0.016 it gets PAR withing 3-5% of the apogee. With my 301b board it's 0.016, with my 281b boards it's closer to 0.015 due to differences in spectrum.

You can use it as the sensor for the ppfd app as well which makes it far more accurate at gauging intensity, and it calculates DLI for you. Without the uni-t Meter my oppo wouldn't read over 35k lux/570umol/s at all and was next to useless.

I use the ppfd app for very approximate readings although I was never really sure how accurate it was.
I was curious about the sensor option in the app and you've cleared that up for me also.

Much appreciated

 

[veritas629]

Yeah interesting!!
I'll have a look into it!
This been around for a while or is it a newer thing?

It's been around for a few years. Since PAR meters got more affordable. I'm not sure the science is settled. My understanding is that if you're using typical PAR levels and the common 18/6 + 12/12 cycles, you're already in the zone.

Another theory worth reading up on, is that the dark hours are important for terpene production. Again, like all things cannabis, there are varying opinions here. But I do know my own plants are more aromatic later in the dark cycle and first thing during lights on. This data just comes from my nose! Consequently, I don't let my lights turn on for 18-24hrs just before harvest. Try sniffing your plants at different times of day, its fun!

 

[Indy]

I just grabbed the Photone app for my phone and use that - nowhere as accurate as a dedicated meter but I reckon it’s close enough for my needs - also has a DLI setting if you want to avoid doing the calcs …

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Yeah, i was using this as well, and i eventually found i was hitting my girls with too much light intensity with a Android device. But they do say ios devices are a lot more accurate with the Photone app.

 

[Indy]

What is this DLI you speak of??
Daily light intake I'll guess?
How is it measured?
I should probably look it up!
I have noticed plants don't for me anyway seem to grow any faster from 18h onwards to 24h so I just run 18h maybe I'll drop it to 16h next run and see if I notice any difference!

A quick wiki summary, mate.. Daily light integral

 

[Madmick]

I think I went through something similar on osa without all the big words.
Basically the plant shuts down even though it's still daytime

So to try make the most of available light try changing your cycle to 6 on 2 off

Again without all bullshit , your plants will love it and you will be utilising more of the amount of light hours available

So instead of using say for example 10 or 12 hrs of your 18 hr cycle , breaking it down will give you 14 to 16 hrs of photosynthesis